What Happens to us, After TEOTWAWKI?

after TEOTWAWKII have been thinking about what happens after TEOTWAWKI caused by an EMP or CMP event.  This is about one of the worst things that can happen if the experts are right.  According to testimony in the congressional records, there could be a 80-90% die off in the first year.

Now I have read articles and talked to people who believe that after a few years we would be back to using bow and arrows and living in small tribal groups.  I feel that this is incorrect, having been a student of history I want to put into context, what a 90 % die off would mean.  That would leave us with a population slightly larger than at the time of the civil war, around 33 million.

Now I am not saying that this would not be a horrific event, but I am saying that we should be able to survive it as a country.  With a population the size of the one that would be left after TEOTWAWKI, we built the continental railroad, fought the civil war and settled the west.

We would be in a better position that people in those days.  The rail tracks would still be in place.  There would be massive amounts of salvage available for our use.  There would be enough agricultural land to feed the population.  The survivors would be the toughest and smartest people.

A good example of what a group of determined people working together occurred in the Philippines during WW2.  A resistance group was formed around a US reserve Office a Colonel Wendell Fertig,.  They were cut off and had no supplies.  So they used what was available. For example, tuba or palm wine was brewed from coconut palms to provide alcohol to fuel gasoline vehicles, soda bottles and fence wire were used to create a telegraph to enhance communications, curtain rods were cut into pieces and shaped to provide ammunition for .30 caliber rifles, steel was shaved from automobile springs and curled to make recoiling springs for rifles, money was printed in both English and the local language using wooden blocks, and fisherman towed Japanese mines ashore to secure the explosive amatol so it could be used to make gunpowder. Soap was made from coconut oil and wood ashes. Then the soap was traded for sugar which was then used to make alcohol for fuel.

Often, seemingly impossible problems were overcome simply through perseverance. For example, Gerardo Almendres, a Filipino high school student had sent away for an International Correspondence Schools course on radios shortly before the war started. Fertig assigned him the task of building a radio even though Almendres had never handled one. Almendres was assisted by a Filipino traveling salesman who had sold radios and by another Filipino who once had listened to a radio. Radio parts (vacuum tubes and other electrical parts) were scrounged from old radio receivers and sound equipment from an old movie projector and other electrical devices. Their makeshift radio eventually worked and they began to receive transmissions from other radios, including those of Roy Bell on Negros, who traveled to Fertig’s camp and devised a new aerial. However, they had no way of knowing if their own transmissions were successful until, on 31 January 1943, the U.S. Navy radio monitoring station in San Francisco answered their call sign.

Now think about the knowledge and salvage we would have available.  We should be able to do as well or better than they did.  The libraries and materials that would be available for us to use would be amazing.

Now many of you would be amongst the survivors.  You have knowledge and creativity.  Plan to reestablish the country, using a government based on the constitution.  Make sure you have copies of the constitution in your preps, learn about it.  Plan to work together and organize your local communities, start trade and communicate with others.  Start thinking now about how to reestablish the country.

Now I am not saying it would be easy, but with determination and effort it could be done.


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10 Responses to What Happens to us, After TEOTWAWKI?

  1. Taxdn2poverty says:

    Your theory only works in an 1865 environ. Once the emp or cybergeddon takes place we will be invaded and subjugated. Our military will be cut off overseas with no way home, so they won’t be of much help when they themselves are just trying to stay alive. Plus, people of circa 1865 had the manual labor know how to get the job done without electricity and the niceties we have today. There will be a few people, but not many, that will put forth the sweat equity to stay alive. I am convinced that of the 90% die off, 89.9% will go into shock and do nothing to help themselves. Another situation that people don’t give thought too is the fact that horses, mules, and the equipment they pulled were part of the everyday landscape in those earlier times. Today, without modern working machinery, the average American will throw up their hands, surrender, and prefer death over the discomfort and strain of doing the tasks you listed. Another fact is that the Colonel had access to nonAmerican labor that was used to back breaking, bone crushing work. Conversely, General Wainwright didn’t and he surrendered 70,000 allied soldiers to the horrors of the Bataan death march and the rest is history. Just say’n…thanks for the article.

    • Nick says:

      There are a few things that you may be be discounting. If it is CMP it could effect everyone worldwide. If it is is emp we may very well have retaliated with nukes. Plus I think you are sadly underestimating the 10% that would survive. not everyone is a liberal know nothing idiot. As Howard says the survivors would be tough and smart

      • Taxdn2poverty says:

        @Nick: No sir, I never mentioned underestimating the survivors. The ones that make it through the first 90 days will be tough, smart, and resilient. The next part I am asking a question, not making a statement, but how can we retaliate with nukes without the electricity to launch them? I honestly don’t have the answer. Also if our leadership is taken out, at the top level, there is no one left to give the order to launch. thanks

        • Security Guy says:

          The launching system has been hardened against EMP for decades. As for the leadership giving the order that info is always classified. I have always questioned the “official policy” that is in the press. That has always seemed like disinfo.

          Even with a 90% die off after an EMP/CME event there should be plenty of older equipment left behind. Older tractors and equipment to hall behind it. I know in our area there are multiple old tractor clubs, each devoted to a certain manufacturer and/or era. To include animal drawn equipment clubs.

  2. Grover says:

    We the unwilling led by the unknowing have been doing so much with so little for so long that we are now qualified to do almost anything with nothing, or words and deeds to that effect.

    I myself subscribe to the Gospel According to Grover, ” The use of Force or Fraud or it’s Advocacy in ANY of it’s forms to achieve Social, Political, Economic, Cultural, Religious, Personal or ANY other reason should be a Capitol Offense. Capitol Offense does not mean that the individual has automatically reached their expiration date. Try a New Experience -“THINK”. Use Logic and Reason as your Guide.”

    Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty.


  3. Ross says:

    I think we get way too dramatic when it comes to events like EMP/CME, etc.

    All of these speculations that we see over and over again from people sitting in their living room and fantasizing about the end of the world, completely ignore all the examples of social collapse that we have from world history. The reality is that people are resilient, they are creative, and when they have to, they take care of business.

    Notions that an event will occur that will permanently put an end to civilization are ridiculous. Even if an imaginary EMP took out all electronic devices (all data points to the contrary), it will be a short period of time before people find ways to hack the system and start rebuilding. Estimates of 90% mortality rate are a joke, and completely unsupported by the evidence that we have from other instances of social collapse, political collapse, and war. Even during WWII, in the most effected parts of the world, where lack of electricity, lack of fuel, lack of food, and lack of water were made worse by carpet bombing and genocide, mortality rates were nothing even close to these estimates.

  4. Jimmy May says:

    Read Tep Kopple’s book “lights out”. that’s how secure our electrical system is.

  5. Spornak the Imperial says:

    An EMP in the winter would be the single most devastating event in world history. Think of the millions of people that would have no way to provide for two crucial items – warmth and water. Unlike food, lack of either of these two crucial items can and will result in death in a matter of 3 days or less. Just imagine some young liberal couple on the 10th floor of a NYC apartment. They probably have no flashlight, no water filter, and no way to get water or heat their apartment. What will they do? They will be forced to “bug out” in search of water and a way to keep warm. That will be their demise as they succumb to cold, criminals, and lack of clean water. Don’t underestimate the devastation of an EMP – especially if that EMP occurs in the middle of winter.

  6. kathy says:

    If we are hit with an EMP attack, I don’t think most people realize that all the nuclear power plants in this country will melt down and send contaminated particles into the wind. If the worst happens I plan to gracefully bow out. I live 5 miles from the Plymouth, Ma nuclear power plant. In a blackout, this plant has a 2 week supply of fuel for the back up generators. After that it will be adios muchos!

  7. JoEllen says:

    The Bible predicts that trying times are ahead of us. But God promises to protect and stand with His people.

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